Trying to understand animal rights people.
It is human nature to want to surround yourself with things you like. If animal rights people like animals, it would seem logical to conclude they too would want to be near animals. That probably means own pets, or pasture buddies. In an effort to protect animals from would be animal abusers, the animal rights people lobby the government to pass laws that limit ownership or at the very least expressly dictate how each animal is to be considered adequately cared for. Surely these people understand that they too will be subjected to the same laws they insister are passed.
Regulations are being slowly passed that are defining just what constitutes animal abuse. Husbandry practices that have been accepted for decades are now being labelled as animal abuse. Thanks to animal rights groups who perceive abuse in all manors of things, pet owners and livestock farmers could find themselves serving jail time because house cats were allowed to catch and eat mice. Or ranches will be walking the plank because they allowed their cattle to drink out of a dug out.
How Animal Right people perceive animal abuse.
Is a dog that is offered food out of an old cooking pot experiencing abuse while the dog who is fed out of a stainless steel bowl not? Is one of these dogs more loved than the other? Is a dog that is given straw for a bed less cared about then a dog given a fluffy cotton dog bed bought at Costco?
Can the design and shape of a water bowl measure to what degree an animal is being abused? If a horse is offered water out of plastic rain barrel instead of a store bought galvanized steel water trough, is it abused? What if the horse was offered water out of a discarded bath tub? Should the owner of that horse be charge with neglect and abuse?
What if an owner gave oats to a horse by sprinkling it on the ground? Maybe you would say that the proper way to feed oats is in a bucket or feeding trough. Either way, the horse is getting oats. Is it abusive to ask a horse to eat oats off the ground? I know some would say yes. We have been told here at the GuZoo that our deer and elk should be fed grain in a trough raised off the ground. Apparently some believe that asking the deer to reach to the ground is cruel. Someone should tell this to all the wild deer and elk out there.
Some people believe that feeding commercial dog food to ones pet dog is not in the best interest of the canine. Some say dogs should be feed raw meat and bones with diced up fresh veggies. There is a huge movement towards fresh dog food; whole isles are being devoted to it in many of the large pet food stores. Yet, GuZoo is criticized for feeding raw meat and bones to lions, tigers and wolves. Go figure. I am trying to understand. Maybe people would be happy if we fed Ol’Roy or Iams to Walace our lion.
In the wild both the grizzly bear and the cougar have been documented feeding off dead animals such as a deer or elk. Unable to consume the entire carcass in just one meal, the predator will cover the carcass with grass and sticks to conceal it from scavengers and return to feed day after day until it is all consumed. Yet accusations of health risks to Guzoo animals have been raised over rotting decaying carcasses in our carnivore enclosures. I believe that animals rights people find dead carcasses abusive to their eyes, so they insist it must violate the animals in some way as well.
I think it is time to finally challenge the ideologies that project human values and truths onto animals.
We don’t consider the water from a stagnant hole in the ground consumable for humans, so society believes that it is abuse to force an animal to drink out of it. Never mind that this has been a common practice for decades, even hundreds of years in the domestic cattle industry, and I haven’t heard that bovines are on the endangered list, wiped out from generations of drinking out of a dug out.
We don’t expect our children to eat off the floor, so people consider it inappropriate to think animals should eat off the ground.
Humans would get sick eating meat that was left exposed to the elements and flies for days at a time, so we assume it must make animals sick as well. Animal rights people would argue that animals can and should only be feed food fit for human consumption. Do otherwise, and they would cry animal abuse.
Humans don’t like to bath in dirty water, so proper husbandry suggests that captive animals should be given nothing less than crystal clear water to submerse in as well. Anything less, is abuse according to animal rights people.
We don’t lock our children in cages, so keeping an animal in a cage is abuse.
We don’t eat off dishes that haven’t been sterilized through a dish washer, so we imagine that it would be unhealthy for animals as well. People who project their values onto animals are of the mind that forcing animals to eat out of less than clean dishes is abuse.
People are encouraged to used antibacterial soap, and surface cleaners in their homes. This ideal is projected onto husbandry practices for house pets and farm animals. Society is leaning towards the opinion that failing to sterilize food prep areas, cages, or storage facilities is poor husbandry practice and boarders on abuse.
People in North America don’t like to see dirt in their house or in their front yard; they want smooth clean floors or carpet and a blanket of evenly cut, weed free grass outside. This is what makes people happy, so this must be what animals like and what makes them happy. Some people believe that housing animals on dirt floors or ground surfaces is abuse.
We don’t like to see our feces inside or outside of our dwelling space or even sitting in the toilet, so we project this repulsion onto animals and consider an animal that has poop in its living space poorly maintained and thus abused. Forgetting that poop is commonly used by animals to communicate a great variety of things to other animals. Some animals even use poop to birth their babies in.
We as human are very susceptible to cold exposure so we assume that all animals must be as well. Forgetting that compared to humans, many animals have much better coping abilities to tolerate both extreme heat and cold. But many would argue that any dog left outside in the winter is abused. Or in our case, a tiger laying on snow must be suffering.
Many people with pet dogs bathe them and brush them regularly, so when they see a farm dog dirty with tuffs of winter hair half shed out they assume the dog must be neglected and abused.
We feed twinkies, pop and red liquorish to our own children, yet cry abuse when one feeds bread and cinnamon buns to goats.
In conclusion, I would like to say that if someone wants to feed their dog out of a sterilized, stainless steel bowl, offer filtered water, feed only food fit for human consumption, supply a soft cushy cotton fabric bed, groom and bath him regularly, and clean is poop up the moment he defecates, all the power to you. But don’t holler animal abuse when the next person doesn’t want to supply those luxuries.
Get with the program people. Animals are not and never have been people. They have different needs and abilities. Sure they feel pain, and yes we have a responsibility to care for and respect them. But it was never God’s intension for people to revere animals with the same high regard as people. This is not God’s plan. Animals have their place and their purpose. Sometimes that purpose is to feed people, sometimes that purpose is simply to bring joy into the lives of people. Animals can heal a broken heart, offer companionship and safety. But always remember they are animals, not people. God’s gift to us, to love and care for, but NEVER to raise up to be equal with His most favoured creation….Mankind.
Irene
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I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head their Irene.
I would very much like to repost that on the front page of my website www.peta-sucks.com
Don't worry, you'll get full credit for it.
Yes, you may use the whole or part of the article as you like.
Lol, what a load of twoddle. You seem to be putting some wierdos in with the whole lot. I've never heard or seen any ARA give a hoot about what a dog eats his dinner out of. The same goes for oats for a horse. So what if some ARAs don't like cats catching birds/mice? They're not campaigning for a law against it, and never will. You seem to be finding some opinions of some and acting as though all ARA's hold that opinion. Try actually getting to know some REAL ARA's and see their opinions will differ from person to person and that they are not campaigning for laws against such silly things as you spout.
Also, you brought god into it...thus making your whole argument futile. When you bring a fairy tale being into it you end up looking like a crazy person. God didn't give us shit 'cus god doesn't exist. We evolved from animals, not magically poofed here in some fancy garden.
Great article!
This just confirms the argument that most ARA's don't believe in God.
I hope we can get it published in some news paper. Thanks Irene!
Syed
Very eloquently said Irene. I am one of the ones who pamper my house pet like he is one of us. I readily admit I have problems with the cruelty of nature but nature it is for wild animals and we truly cannot expect to treat them like a person.
You are completely right re God giving us the animals to live side by side but not as equals.
P.S. Anyone who signs as anon is cowardly and not worth listening to.
You are extremely uneducated, that is made apparent in your lack of knowledge. I am not surprised because you're a farmer and you probably didn't finish grade 10.
PS: Learn how to spell properly because you're embarrassing yourself.
Wonderful article . I agree 100%. It's pathetic that people think the natural things animalss do is considered abuse. If it's soo bad for elk to eat off the ground in enclosures why is it not considered abuse when they eat grass!
And if you have never Been to guzoo to experience all the wonderful things it has to offer, you have no right to come and start bashing it!
Firstly, I cannot be bothered to find my password to post on such a bs blog post so anon is not cowardly. Secondly, what has a belief in god with ARA's got to do with anything!?! Some do, but the smarter ones use reasoning and science to come to their conclusions. Not some fancy fairy tale that people to stupid to find their own morals have to live by.
If you use god as an excuse to claim whatever you want you've lost the argument because you're not using that intelligence we supposedly evolved with. You're just being a sheeple. Blind faith gets people nowhere.
I'm not sure if you'll even approve this comment Irene, because I think you find it too useful to your argument to divide the world into religious people who support your view of animal's position in the world, and non-religious animal rights activists who don't.
The people who are self-proclaimed ARAs writing in to you here are not representative of religious views in the whole community of people who advocate for better animal welfare and yes, closing Guzoo if it cannot be a viable place to house and promote the welfare of animals.
Your Christian viewpoint about animals here is only one tendency of Christianity. If you want to familiarize yourself with some other tendencies, you might want to familiarize yourself with a book called Dominion: The Power of Man, the Suffering of Animals, and the Call to Mercy; which was written by none other than George Bush's former speechwriter.
A lot of people who signed petitions to shut down Guzoo call themselves Christians and I've asked them to write to you. I hope you hear these with an open heart.
"You seem to be finding some opinions of some and acting as though all ARA's hold that opinion. Try actually getting to know some REAL ARA's and see their opinions will differ from person to person and that they are not campaigning for laws against such silly things as you spout."
It is a shame that ARAs are incapable of applying this same philosophy when a livestock farmer, animal trainer, zoo keeper or anyone else who makes their living from animals is found guilty of abuse.
Getting to know ARAs is extremely difficult when you are not one yourself. Most of them hide behind a computer screen or a placard that claims KFC abuses chickens.
Well said. As always you have my wholehearted support
Hello Irene,
Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts through your blog.
I am both very concerned about animal welfare and a Christian. I believe that God created animals with intelligence and with emotional, psychological, social and physical needs. In nature animals are able to meet most of their needs, most of the time. If humans take God's animals out of nature, the home that God provided for them, than we are now 100% responsible for meeting all the needs that God created them with. I believe, that we had better provide a VERY good alternative home for them that meets these needs. If God didn't want them to experience those things, he wouldn't have created those needs in them.
God also created animals with the ability to suffer, but he gave humans the intelligence needed to 'listen' to animals through their body language and the sounds they make so we can discern if an animal is enjoying life, is content, is in pain, or is distressed etc. It is up to us, the more intelligent species, to use our reasoning skills and ability to feel compassion to ensure that the animals in our care are being cared for properly. God gave us those skills b/c he wanted us to use them. If God made an animal able to experience suffering, then he wanted us to do everything in our power to relieve that suffering, not ignore it. If God made animals with the ability to suffer, it's not b/c he wanted us to ignore it. Animals cannot verbalize their suffering through words, but that does not make their suffering any less real. It can only become less 'real' to those around the animal who choose to ignore it. The animal still suffers.
I feel very confident in saying that most of the people that you call 'animal right activists' are extremely aware that animals are not as emotionally complicated and intelligent as humans. What we do recognize, however, is that animals are intelligent, have very specific needs, and can suffer. We hope to ensure that animals needs are being met to the best of our abilities and that when possible, their suffering is alleviated. That is respecting God's creation. That is showing compassion for God's creatures.
Thank you for taking the time to read my thoughts.
Shiela
Oh my goodness "anonymous" person. your manners are atrocious. And what drivel you write. You may have won spelling bees in school but that sure doesn't make you educated. And the only person embarrassing themselves here is yourself - you have absolutely nothing to say of substance. I do hope you're under the age of 20 because then at least you have somewhat of an excuse for the lack of tact and ignorance.
(Defn of ignorance: lack of knowledge, information, or education.)
The post was excellent "Mrs. Guzoo" - hit on some good points.
Rob, what you said was eloquently written I agree with you 100%. My only addition to your thought is that Christianity can’t lend itself to have varying degrees of animal rights principles. I whole heartedly accept that many Christians love animals and care about their welfare, but that mustn’t be confused with the promotion of allotting animals legal rights equal to or above those of people. I make a very distinct differentiation between animal rights advocates and animal welfare advocates. A Christian most certainly can be an animal welfare advocate, but never an animal rights activist. It would be a contradiction.
Sheila, Everything you said is right on the button. I couldn't have said it better. God said that all of creation is His, as Christians, we love and respect God and would naturally respect His property. Just remember, as I believe this is the route of the issue surrounding what constitutes animal abuse;
the needs of animals are not the same as the needs of people.
If society could wrap their mind around that, much of this perceived animal abuse, would disappear. People could get off the band wagon and pursue much more important things in life. And, I speak from a personal perspective; many people would be saved from the ravages of false persecution.
I am curious, Irene, what standards of care/rights animals SHOULD be entitled to under the law? Do you believe the animal protection act is adequate or too harsh? Do you believe the current punishments for animal abuse/neglect cases are good enough or should be upgraded?
Thank you for taking the time to respond Irene. I have some questions and I hope you will also post this comment in it's entirety and respond to it. You say that you agree with me, but I don't see that belief played out at the Guzoo.
How does keeping a tiger in a small cage meets it's physical needs for exercise and psychological need for mental stimulation? Can you please let me know how the Guzoo attempts to fulfill these needs and desires that God created a tiger with?
What do you believe a lion is telling you with it's body language when it paces back and forth along it's fence, and whines? Has any member of the Guzoo management taken any formal training to learn about this magnificent species and how to specifically meet all it's needs?
What about the specific needs of the all of the other animals you care for? If an animal is unable to meet these needs and desires, do you believe the animal suffers?
What is the process of taking a wolf cub away from it's mother? What kind of behaviors does the mother exhibit when her cubs are taken away? What does the cub do? Although animals don't experience as deep or as intense emotions as humans, do you believe the mother suffers when separated from her cub/s? If not, what behaviors lead you to believe this?
Let me restate that the vast majority of people here are not advocating that your animals be treated like humans or given equal status to humans, we only advocate that they be treated with respect and that their individual needs (you have agreed that animals have more needs than for just food) are consistently met. How does keeping a lion in a cage covered in months worth of it's own feces with little to no mental stimulation or room to run, play, and explore meet the needs of that creature? Please tell me, and other interested members of the public, how you consider this respectful? Also, I want to state that I know of no one who sees anything wrong with animals eating off a CLEAN ground. Add standing water mixed with an excessive amount of feces and piles of rotting carcasses, now I know A LOT of people who see something wrong with this.
Your family runs a business that consistently hasn't been able to meet standards, and it was closed. The same thing would happen to a restaurant that couldn't meet standards. It is not persecution, it is a failed business.
Thank you in advance for taking the time to read and respond to this. I understand that you are very busy and I appreciate your time.
Shiela
Sheila, you asked a great many questions and provided numerous examples on our farm where you feel our animal’s needs are not being respected. It boils down to one thing. Subjective opinion. You have your ideas of what an animal’s needs are based on your life experiences and education and we have ours.
Who defines what an animal’s needs are? How do we know at what point an animal’s needs are being satisfied?
Would you not agree that animals who have all or most of their needs met would be healthy animals? Then we could go into defining what a healthy animal is, but let’s assume as this point we understand its meaning. Is it safe to say that animals who do not have their needs met would be unhealthy and incapable of expressing their full potential? I believe this to be the case.
Here on our farm, we witness animals with good appetites, low disease rate, long life span, calm dispositions and good reproductive capabilities. Ask any animal care specialist and I am sure they would confirm those observations are indications of animals whose needs are being met.
I strongly feel that anthropomorphism is being applied to animals in general. Walt Disney and many other movie makers have had a huge influence on North American society in regards to this. It has become an epidemic in fact.
I have witnessed wild elk urinate and roll in their wallow, and proceed also to drink the water. Does this indicate to you, that “dirty water” is unhealthy for elk. I know humans would get sick drinking it so does that mean elk will also? This is an example of anthropomorphism. I have witness our tiger lick the urine of another tiger. A disgusting and unhealthy thing for any human to do, so does mean it is also harmful for a tiger?
Rabbits eat their own poop! This is unsafe for humans to do, so we should do everything in our power to keep a rabbit from doing this also?
Humans don’t pace around their house back and forth and if they do, they are probably neurotic or otherwise miserable. This may be a fact. So when an animal paces, they must expressing symptoms of unhappiness? You see, anthropomorphism.
Small lion cage? Little for the animals to do? In captivity lions don’t have to roam hundreds of miles each week in search for food. Lions also don’t pursue hobbies or academic achievements. We are talking about cats here. Cats that sleep 20 out of 24 hours a day.
Devon, my only concern is when a person who is convicted of a crime against an animal is given a stiffer and more severe sentence than a felon who commits a crime against a person.
Guzoo animal 'lovers',
I have some major issues with this article.
- keeping an animal in a cage is not abuse, when the cage has enough room for the animal to move and is clean and free of excrement. The cages should be liveable and comfortable for an animal.
- We don’t argue the animals need crystal clear water, just water that is clean and not frozen solid or full of crap (literally or just dirt and food)
- If you’re going to make this your full time job make it look like it. Real zoos are pristine and pride on the cleanliness and liveliness of their animals.
- Animals can eat off the ground as it is natural, unless the corpse has been rotting there for days and is collecting disease. Again, the proper zoos clean it up because it is unsightly to have in their facility.
- You’re making it seem like every activist hating on your zoo is a crazy person who holds animals higher than people and worships them like little fuzzy gods. This is unbelievable and absolutely ridiculous. I honestly am insulted that you think your dirty zoo is equal to proper zoos (Calgary, Toronto, any other zoo for that matter).
- “We feed twinkies, pop and red liquorish to our own children, yet cry abuse when one feeds bread and cinnamon buns to goats” are you serious? You are asking why it’s wrong to feed animals human food if humans can eat it? You are absolutely right. It's silly we should think something like this
- Do you honestly know gods plan? Are all of his creatures not created equally? Have humans not just stepped up to the top of the food chain simply because they have the power to? How much good have we done to this Earth with that attitude? Loads eh? Can you honestly tell me you know for a fact god believes this and he told you we are his favourite creation? Maybe his favourite was the dinosaur just cause it looks awesome… or the shark cause it’s so cool… or puppies because they are dang adorable.
- Your accusations of people who love animals are ludicrous. I think if you’re going to take care of animals for a living you should take responsibility and do it and do it well. If you want to love animals then I suggest you adopt a puppy and not a lion. Leave it to the real zoos who can take care of them.
This is a good post and the message contained in it deserves wider distribution.
Mrs. Guzoo said:
"Devon, my only concern is when a person who is convicted of a crime against an animal is given a stiffer and more severe sentence than a felon who commits a crime against a person."
Not only does this not even come close to answering Devon's question, but when did this ever happen?
I doubt that the majority of activists are against religion. That's really ignorant of you to say that. God chose us to take care of His animals not hurt them like this. As a religious activist I'm also insulted you think we're all crazy and hate God so we try to help His creations. We care for these animals lives like we were intended to.
Joanna, in the circles I travel in with animal rights groups, I think it is fair to say most don't believe in the God you and I do. As sisters in Christ you and I can both agree that all creation belongs to God and as Christians we respect his property; so we take care of it. If you or anyone else reading this is Christain and secure in their belief then I can safely say you are not an animal rights activist, you are an animal welfare activist. There is a huge difference. I believe that any one seeking legal rights for animals equal to those allotted for people, are not Christians or at least don't understand their Christian walk in life. It is perfectly fine for Christians to be repulsed by animal abuse and even speak out against it. But to seek legal retribution on behalf of an animal is out of line as Christians understand it is God who will have the last say and reward or punish as He sees fit.
This was hilarious, thanks for brightening up my day. Oh wait, you're serious? *calls therapist*
I’d like to say that I haven’t seen a straight answer from you yet. First, I feel that you hide behind your religion to excuse the actions of Guzoo. If people should not be legally punished for their acts against animals, then why should they be legally punished for acts against humans? Will God not punish everyone for their actions?
To have any weight behind your arguments, you should remove religion from what you say. I am not saying that you’re wrong to be religious, but there is no room for religion in law or government. I would appreciate you answering questions based on fact, not belief in a higher power that condones your behavior. As a society, we have chosen to keep beliefs out of law making and enforcement for a reason, so that interpretation and different beliefs cannot skew the results.
Secondly, when asked point blank about issues witnessed at Guzoo, you tiptoe around the answer. Stereotypic behaviors have been witnessed in your lions, why would this be? If their needs are being met, this shouldn’t happen. Animals with open sores have been reported, should this not have been noticed before they got as bad as they did? Welfare complaints have been made and then animals that don’t look deathly ill have been euthanized before the ASPCA can investigate. Do you have proof that these animals could not have been saved?
Lastly, I would like to comment on something that has bothered me for awhile. You make a claim that rabbits eat their own poop. I would hope you know that these are called cecotropes and are integral to a rabbit’s health. This type of poop comes once a day and is eaten immediately by the rabbit. This is not a reason to leave rabbits in their feces for days on end. From what I can tell (using my rabbits as a good indicator) these cages are left for days, if not weeks, to fill with feces. My two rabbits would take a week to get to that point. The care you show for these animals makes me wonder how you could possibly manage the care of exotic animals.
…but, God will punish you, so we should leave you alone, right?
I am a Christian. Because of my religious beliefs, I support animal rights.
I feed my dogs out of old cooking pots. Nothing wrong with that.
It seems to me that you are claiming that those who disagree with you are way out in the stratosphere with crazy ideas. That simply isn't true.
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